http://aomin.org/index.php?itemid=2185&catid=7, courtesy Philip Pullmans interview with Third Way Magazine, http://www.catholicapologetics.org/ap050200.htm, http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2007/08/amazing-simply-.html, http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2007/08/james-white-has.html#c79351988, http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2004/10/forgiveness_rev.html, http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0309bt.asp. 1:8). As for using the pictures, at least they have made people think about the meaning of charity in communicating Gospel truth. I merely pointed out the clear implications of his words. Rather than deal with this, some play every which way but loose, even to the point of insinuating I did it. I dont have to post a point-by-point case on James Whites innocence in the Beckwith debate because that has absolutely nothing to do with Jimmy Akin and 20 Roman Catholic fanbois getting their toes stepped on via a couple of pictures that accurately display their childish, hypocritical attitudes. Im not to apt to jump on the conspiracy train as you are. Were all tired of it. CareBear, If James Whites position is so biblical what is is he hiding behind? That kind of gets you very close to the mud and sometimes you fall in. To all concerned, perhaps all of us, Mr. White and myself included, needs to read more John Henry Newman: Anymore ad hominem onel iners or are you actually going to deal with the picture issue and refute me? Arent you guys going to protest regarding THE DECEPTION by White & Co. as you did when you originally accused Catholic Answers!? Its as simple as thatand the Jesuitical casuistry used to avoid that fact is almost inspiring. It is DECEPTION! after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. The false Mark Shea has a whole blogging category, Because Rome Does Not Issue Fatwas, ridiculing such facile and paranoid comparisons. I can only say, that the spectacle of a man who names the name of Christ, wandering about in a pair of aged boxer shorts, is not one which is inclined to impress anyone. Intent is not dispositive. I want to see the real issues addressed either by Jimmy Akin or Frank Becjkwith! This is a very vague, generalized statement. CareBear: Unsubstantiated? Planning on becoming a Protestant seminary professor, he started an intensive study of the Bible. I dont want there to be confusion. As I have already proventhe pictures do not compare Roman Catholics to terrorists. Christians have many roles. Granted these questions dont have much meaning when one is debating issues about Faith but it should be. how Satanic and corrupt all these new The Danger of Roman Catholicism 7pm Nightly February 10-12 FIRST BAPTIST OPELOUSAS 3835 I-49 S. Service Road Opelousas, LA 70570, February 8, 2023 Debate: What is Marriage? And take his blog as it isself-centered, gospel-blurring invective. Especially when a new Catholic like Dr Beckwith is involved you dont want to just let them throw mud at him. God bless James White. Important point. (A quick glance at the content of the comments posted here testifies to this very thing.) CatholicWayne, Or less substantive. God became man. No such sign was given to the dead hierarchy of Jesus day but the resurrection of Jesus Himself, and it is still the best expression of why primitive, authentic Christianity cannot be equated to a particular denomination. Jimmy has publicly admitted errors and owned up to mistakes. Islamist= radical Muslim, not to be confused with the non-murderous Muslims. If you look any further, youll be missing our point. You unhesitatingly state: If we disagree with someone, and wish to show they are wrong in their teaching, we may certainly express those feelings with earnest passion and a sharp-edged logic. My best understanding of our teaching is that we are to judge not lest we be judged and to forgive that we too might be forgiven. We have been sucked into it because The lonely hermetic cell is calling [us] to quiet, prayerful contemplation and [we are] running from the silence where the voice of God resides. Now you want to say hes judging based on that assumption? He allows those who do not repent to choose freely to go to hell. Tech Street2: They (or their comboxers) often respond with nasty smears of their own For one thing, it was the first time that the various powers of Europe had a different religion altogether, and so therefore had the temptation to shed blood on a massive scale. First tell us, what race are the Germans? I dont think the same can be said for Robert Sungenis but I am not completely conscious of the situation so its difficult to comment intelligently. I have done the same with James White and from my observations he shows the traits of someone with severe control issues. 14 That henceforth we be no more children tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the wickedness of men, by cunning craftiness by which they lie in wait to deceive. Good show! Posted by: CareBear | Aug 13, 2007 4:28:08 PM Am I close enough to him to be sure hes not just pretending? I respectfully disagree with Jimmy. Only later did Dr Beckwith tell us that thats just his funny way of talking. Though i do think the actions taken by white are questionable at best, this is the perfect time to show what it means to be Catholic. Hello, is that just priceless or what? Its a combox flame war, which means the stakes are remarkably low. Slander is saying something not true, so perhaps you should consider what exactly youre saying before you go shooting your keyboard off. To Greg McR, Hey, Nonny, use a name, would you? He allows those who do not repent to choose freely to go to hell. Seriously, though, all of this is the face of [denominational] apologetics to me. How do you know that those books are, in fact, Scripture? Good for you! So while it is true there is such a thing as the sin of omission, we have to remember that prudence and patience are virtues as well. However, no matter how infallible God is, us men are fallible. *wonders how long it will take before the latter part of the charity sign is exercised on himself*. On the other hand, continued attacks are simply tormenting a cornered animal. The next Catholic who calls for the beheading of James White will see me join you in denunciation. JAMES WHITE WINS Or can I just copy and paste your repeated (para-)phrase of nobody has addressed Whites points, and put my name in place of Whites? Sometimes, when an issue is so big, its hopeless to carve it up into little soundbytes or hastily posted zingers. If you are looking for a graceful design with intricate detailing, then a tattoo like this might be it for you. My identity does not derive from protesting against someone elses errors. (But what a nice thread it would make, hint hint). Thank you. I apologize for jumping the gun and mischaracterizing you. Sandy: Ill be praying for you. Denounce such weird and obsessive tactics as beneath the Catholic community and start dealing with the substance of arguments instead of personal agendas. If Jimmy had failed in his attempts at humor, I would have been morally bound to repeat the analysis in his case. Thats ACs Law. It seems like the lady doth protest too much, methinks. The Pharisees were definitely into winning, but here they pulled a loser because they didnt get the kingdom concept, that its about the heart, not the housing, be it political, institutional, or otherwise. He read widely in what was available to him in his day. Evidently our Great Tradition Baptist thought leaders have decided to stay far, far away from actually telling us how we can define the GT in light of the Second Nicene Council, as per Mondays Dividing Line. And Catholic Answers! Western civilization simply would not have grown the way it has if this were the case. If hes merely assuming, how is now judging? ' What you claim to be tired of is your own gnosis, your own personal determination of what I said. Well, OK: Im surprised that they didnt realize that someone was bound to check. A few minor edits help it along. Not just as Catholics but also as devout Christians. We call it the sufficiency of Scripture as the Divine Revelation of God. Here, you will be able to see that both the symbols for alpha and omega are inked using curved lines and dots, along with some solid black shading. Ive been trying to explain to you the Catholic position (to the best of my ability, such as it is) on various issues. and 3] learn church history, archaelogy and let that information soften your collective memory [which is another word for embedded prejudice. doesnt seem to perceive the inconsistency of their own message. Good question, Esau. Is Homosexuality Compatible with Authentic Christianity? Spent a few moments at the start of todays program looking at a clip from Sam Gipp where he says all translational decisions were finished and completed in 1611, something the KJV translators would have righty mocked. I would simply point out that the changes to the pictures maintain the theme of attempting to bring death. Yes, I believe in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of my own free will, through the grace of God, who has written the natural law on the hearts of all humankind. drastically different views of what it means to repent. And this is where Not only were they telling about their attitudes prior to their creation, but they foreshadowed the actions of the specific group they were poking fun at ex post facto. Or else, call upon the powers of RAINBOW BRIGHT or HELLO KITTY or whatever effeminate character you wish to be saved by! Stubble, Being unreasonable yourself by not taking in ALL the facts of the case only the one that seem to cast negative light on Jimmy Akin (in y our opinion) but have yet to examine evidence as revealed in the debate between White v. Beckwith I would be doing a disservice to my collegues who have spent their lives trying to understand humor and its effects if I did not speak for at least part of the humor community. Box 5121 It is my hope that Catholics and Protestants can converse without all the rancour that Ive seen since I started blogging in October 2006. James White does not. Mary, Thank you Dale That is why Inocencio wants to buy his action figure with a Cowboy hat! Sorry, Im not dead set on assuming the conclusion that they were wrong when I dont find them wrong in the first place. Now that you have the answers to questions like, What does alpha mean? and What does omega mean?, and also have found some exciting alpha omega tattoo designs, you can certainly understand that a lot can be done with these tattoos. I will not claim that The floral patterns are surrounding the combined alpha and omega motif which is further surrounded by a lovely golden frame. Wow, Thomas Aquinas? The paragraph after the bold/italic bit is Pullmans answer and the rest is me. I am not necessarily sticking up for this kind of behavior(in terms of the pictures) but everyone is human and give the guy a break. Im not interested in those arguments, nor in the well-blasted trenches of apologetics warfare, which I have avoided throughout, thanks. Jesus or Paul? Ignoring the thrust of an argument How about these books that they rejected as NOT being part of Scripture: That would be tedious. This reveals something of Whites character, his impulsiveness, and his lack of good judgment. Youre acting like Muslims! has become the house retort. Or are you so wrapped up with your infatuation for James White that you didnt even pay attention to certain particulars which have clearly gone above your head! I might agree with some points he makes, but theyre overwhelmed by the mudslinging. Im not going to repeat the argument just for you to ignore it again and waste time. Okay, CareBear, tell me then, which books do you consider inspired and tell me exactly why???? I assume you wouldnt try discussing theology with somebody wearing a Marilyn Manson Antichrist T-shirt. The Doctor nonsense is ironic beyond words. *sniffles* You dont BELIEVE me, Esau? Godwins Law is limited to comparisons with Nazis and Hitler. lied. I point out the way. Let is speak for itself. CareBear: Had you been truly a fair-minded individual, you would consider ALL of the evidence and not merely this post (as it seems this is the only thing youve looked over so far) and only those things that seem to cast negative light on Jimmy Akin or rather how youve negatively characterized him. Saying something is true doesnt make it true. And the analogy fails as a factual matterIslamic understanding of Quranic inspiration is of a wholly different order than even the most rigorous Christian understanding. Interesting that White is presents himself as so learned and yet is either unaware of or above basic human psychology. The Covenant Code Why did the miscommunication occur? Not all Muslims are terrorists, no matter how much you presume them to be. It is appropriate for fomenting the emotions, certainly, but the issues at hand call for something a great deal more rational. We differ from yall primarily in that we believe that reason, as a moral obligation before God, must be applied to the truth claims of any and all visible institutions. The Acts of Paul We have an earthly duty to be intercessors. Thus far Ive given you a run for your money so far as these pictures have been concerned, so youd probably get on that instead of just ignoring the facts and presuming to be angry. Ill fix your quote for you. A rash assumption, but perhaps hell handle it later in the next paragraph? We are all searching for Gods way, and all who are RC, OC, or Protestant know that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, but we all seem to have a different understanding of how to live that promise. extended post, since I would have to get into counterfactual logic, Ramsey Theory, Possible World Logic, the sociology of humor, and a whole host of other technical things) this is combox post, not a scholarly paper. Stubblespark it might even help the White apologists who seem to fear the same silence. I wasnt aware Wikipedia was an authoritative source in any arena, including theological debate. I realized then that I could not anymore choose what the Bible says, I had to choose to be consistent with what the church has always said: I had to choose to submit to the authority of the church. That doesnt mean you need to be rude to all the rest of us. Claim your healingTell your doctor that why do they not seriously deal with the issues that are presented by Protestant apologists.Case in point please. In that post, Jimmy links to http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0309bt.asp It is a rather important thing, being forgiven your sins.). I dont often myself because it usually gives off more heat than light in this format. By the by, http://www.jameswhite.org for the CA website url? And how shall they hear without a preacher? You havent been reasonable. But why is it that youll use the phrase our people for those who were killed, but disown any stock in those who killed? P.O. It is as if yall are unaware of the passage where Paul says love does not take account of wrong done to it. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them (John 20:23). This is one reason why I do not post in comboxes: its too much of an occasion of sin for me. Its not a true blog, that part aside, one can email Dr White directly and comments that have come through email are handled by Dr. White or aomin.org staff. While were on the topic of specific examples, please give an example of what you consider to be a personal attack. Dr. Care to back up the claim that the early Fathers actually support modern Roman doctrine? : It does cause a tinge of shame at using the word Christian, especially when talking with people who dont want to be Christian because of petty infighting between denominations. Dont you? I pay that much for a paperback. I recall someone saying the best example of a Catholic Apologist. Tech City:Riverside But he didnt. The point is that there is just no reason to talk to White anymore, because he is beyond reasoning. Love Jesus and His word. During the recent debate between Dr. James White and Dr. Peter Van Kleeck, there was a brief discussion about Matthew 5:18 and the meaning of jot and tittle. For example, you can choose any other kind of flower that is your favorite, or other colours that match better with your vibe. Repentance is essential in Do Catholics get better seats in heaven than the Protestants? In my view, CareBear has done so here. What mindset? When I discovered that the pope agreed with all of my theology and teaching I had discovered in the Bible, I felt it better that I go with the group Its not the priest who forgives me in the Confessional, its Jesus. Take offense to being equated with a murderous mob and refuse to treat it as a logical argument, its a convenient excuse? What knowledge of the canon was established? Yikes. Yet, if he considers Jimmy Akin but an Internet Apologist, what does that make James White? I ask You Father to comfort my brother Theo, as he enters Your Courts trembling and contrite. Hehe, found out something amusing. I am not easily shocked. 1:11). I apologize if I did. Designs like this look very chic and are most commonly opted for by women. I asked for a summary. Quick shut it down. a critical similarity between Catholic authoritarianism and Islamic authoritarianism Petard, meet hoist. Im still waiting for refuation of the arguments I posted and you for you to stuble upon the definition of ad hominem. Bodily Assumption? I dont even agree with him fully, and *I* respect that class. Im asking you HOW DO YOU KNOW HEBREWS IS SCRIPTURE??? This snippet begins with a rather bizarre straw-man argument subtly disguised as a jab at the Church. Care to address my point or hide behind post counts? I have tried to state what I hope may be a consensus analysis of humor scholars: Jimmy is more right in his analysis of the humor of these pictures than Dr. White is. May God Bless you, Papa! The interlocutors then indicate (with varying degrees of politeness and charity) that theyd prefer not to have a substantive discussion if its going to include that kind of personal unpleasantness. Have you substaintiated a single accusation against me? helpful quotes between salvation and discipleship. There is no Caliph-like figure in the history of Christianity, at least on a universal scale. Something to keep his mind occupied from the horror. If you have questions about Catholicism, just ask them. Hence the analogy hold, although I will immediately agree with critics who will says this treatment is deficient. please read the beautiful words of Romans 4:5-6 about the Theo. The win is by forfeiture, which is unsatisfying to everyone because it means that no one benefits from new insights from either side. Well, of course they do. He strikes me as just another guy who has a following, wailing about how badly hes been treated by the bad ol world. CareBear: Third, it actually produces a queasy feeling in my gut when I spend a couple of hours trying to put together a good, meaningful post, that expresses legitimate disappointment in the theocracy (definitely a theocracy) promoted by Rome, only to have it thrown off as utter nonsense. Let me share with you one of the Rules of Strider for Apologetics (and I am making this up off the top of my head): Dear Okey: Considerable time and work are required to get such a tattoo, but it is completely worth the hassle! Beware of Dr. James White's heresy of Lordship Salvation, : is unique, standing alone against all the a. We will continue this review over the course of the next few programs, with the exception of this Thursday when we will be examining the textual variant at Luke 23:34 Lets see what some of the topics were: Sam Gipp and Antioch manuscripts, the Church & Culture, Debating the Papacy, Justification and Roman Catholic apologists, how to talk to Christians who have bought into social justice theories, and more! Thats what I couldnt quite understand To find the answer to that, first, it is essential for you to understand the alpha omega tattoo meaning. Thanks, bill912; although, I doubt therell be an answer. White also teaches the heresy of I suppose I should brush up on my regulations though, that or Mr. Akin should deal with the issues. Enduring hatred far worse than Rome or Central America or China. Isnt this the kind of answers that Roman Catholic apologists hate? And plenty of it. By noting them it is hard not to characterize them in some fashion. You may get a chance to ask your questions at a more pertinent time on this blog and get a more reasoned and complete answer. Is our Catholic faith true only when we are not offended? This is amazing, the trent thing wasnt the real issue at all. Luther? Pray that one day they accidently drop the filter. Perhaps you should go look up slander before you come around here trying to slander me. it is the accusing party that must prove their case! Really, I dont think its unreasonable to request that information beyond go read this book be provided when having a discussion. Did I/Do I think it reasonable to do so? here. I feel if I quote anymore Dr. White is going to sue me. Compare the iconoclasm, similar views on divine election, disdain for priesthood, and belief that the individual can read scripture outside of any binding authoritative framework, and voila: Critical similarities between Reformed Christianity and Islam. But WHAT IF the Romanists made an error since, after all, the Catholic Church is nothing but a front for Satan! Dont feed the energy creature, as Mark Shea used to say. I am an expert in humor and its analysis and I am speaking within my field of competence. If you have read at all, I already showed how I believe God used the church body to reveal divine canon to us. That could describe you too Mary Kay. T.A. Though he carelessly places his comments on his ministry website, I would hope they are not one and the same. And I think steves post was in reply to a request that whites faithful at least not attempt to justify his wrong action(Stubblespark). Given that Guardian shows up, posts a URL out of the blue, vanishes and four hours later White has an angry post up, it does stink. Minimalist tattoo ideas are well-appreciated by those who do not have the experience of getting inked before. Pope Damasus? It is not like we are thin-skinned. He has crossed a fundamental line that shows himself to be incapable of holding a rational discussion. you called me a name-caller and labeled my actions as inappropriate and vile. It seems a bit strange to hear (Especially from a Calvinist) that the Canon of Scripture was borne into existence and unbeknownst to God before the writing of scripture proper. I suppose I should brush up on my regulations though, that or Mr. Akin should deal with the issues. Hes not doing it to win, because that is contrary to an essential element of Calvinist theology. What answers can be given except the councils, the fourth century, the documents from it, and the canon that we and you accept? So let us continue to pray for a reform of the reform and restore back to all things in Christ including a reverent Traditional Latin Mass and true teachings that not all faiths can lead to salvation, only the One True Church, the Catholic Church May 13, 2019 - Explore Sam Roberts's board "Alpha omega tattoo" on Pinterest. Regardless of what has happened behind the keyboard, no one can argue that White is rude to his opponents in his debates and the White/Pacwa debates have proved this. This is one of them. Thats a great question! This applies to both sides in every situation. And I think his analogy to jihad is an apropos means of expressing it. Its amazing what having people around does for how one acts. And way more amusing than the actual photoshop. Not only that, but attributing negative intention to Catholics for what they themselves contributed to. Probably the same way the Romanists decided. I see you mindlessly follow an Internet Apologist such as James White! I dont think these sorts of debates at all useful, even if I like the thinking of the debater. Dont you?. Esau, He posted the same pictures you did Jimmy. Did you even read my comment: I think its on the grounds of futility that the debate should be ended. $1099. What other language is it in, as I only know how to read plain English and write plain English, therefore I dont understand what you mean here. Just leave already, and stay gone, eh? As for my depth of study in church history (including the Father), I consider it sufficient to justify the statements I am making. CareBear: Instead of a change of mind (which is Biblical), the new perversions Jimmy, when you take stupid things seriously, you yourself look stupid. But: Parse his phrases. If our spiritual milk and meat (food) is corrupted, then we are in BIG The pictures pertain to those calling for charity, yet give none of it to begin with. Which beatitude says Blessed are you who hold a debt and refuse mercy until the debtor first repays in full? To those who defend the pictures, they are: Name Server: Perhaps you should all look to your own for blanket, ad hominem attacks against Roman Catholicism proper. I seem to recall even Aristotle thinking circles in logic might be OK if they were small enough. How do you manipulate the resurrected Christ? Yesterday I posted two pictures that any rational person knows had one point and one point only: it is hypocritical to rant and scream and threaten in religious matters while claiming to be charitable and peaceful. He subsequently made much of the fact that I allegedly struggled to answer if the Incarnation is a unique event, a clear instance of the complex question fallacy, yet when a Catholic does it (see Phils version and My Version), its a cheap debating trick. 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