Every single pilot lied on their medical form. People go to prison all the time because they lied to the FBI, FTC, or other federal agency. Telling the truth has cost me nearly 2 years of no flying due only to a late reply by my doctor and now I am walking away from my favorite form of relaxation, anyone want to buy my plane? This is left bundle branch block which is a stop as far as the CAA is concerned. You are proceeding at your own risk. My first flightdoctor told me he was very happy about having pilots as clients. Just waht we need more busybodys like you who cant mind their own business. I take my family on flights in my aircraft and there is no way I am going to put them at risk. Any help would be greatly appreciated thank you. Its a losing game. Think about what the FAA is likely to be interested in: Onset of chronic disease, like high blood pressure or type II diabetes. I refer them to my TMI rule; if it was transient, dont say it. I think the medical is about to date as traveling by the hose & buggy. If you have a disqualifying medical condition, say unexplained loss of consciousness, you cant fly. The same diseases that the FAA uses to ground pilots should restrict driving. Who would you send them to? I think ill just go to Mexico and get a falsified medical. by Paul Engstrom, Aviation Writer and IFA Member. How do we know that health issues rarely cause flying accidents? Now, what other activity with a rate of death this low has a major federal bureaucracy policing it? Then, I initiated actions to get tested, never dreaming that FAA would punish me for being conscientious and wanting to be fully alert. Gordon, I go to sleep. We only use the Once set up by politicians, these agencies rule by fiat, for which there is no recourse. This has little or nothing to do with safety, but everything to do with preserving bureaucratic fiefdoms. Have you EVER been dizzy? So please just be honest you they are gonna find out about one day or another just like the case out in California back in 2005 for pilots lying about question 18y Medical disability benefits and many of them were in legal trouble. 13. Robert Davis Travel Management Consultant, 2023 Executive Flyers +1 (512) 241-0795. Try to determine why it is required of you, but not others, with OSA. If I have a bad cold, or whatever, I will DQ myself for flight, even if such action results in a profound economic penalty for me even though I have a valid First Class Medical. It may be that some of you folks are not involved as subcontractors to the Airframe manufacturers. You can be a Sport Pilot if you have never had your FAA medical denied. He had diabetes. They will also review how your current application compares to the ones you have submitted in the past and your driving record. People are willing to take the risks in exchange for their freedoms. I do recommend that you do ask your AME any questions regarding your medications and or your medical history and assist in the gathering of medical records relating to what condition you may have and also the same for your arrest/and or correctional history to explain why on the medical form in the explanations page. There are hardly any crashes or incidents related to pilot incapacitation and if there were the FAA or NTSB would have expressed grave concerns. Pilots also fly without annual inspections, insurance and they might even go flying without getting a briefing first. I do not expect it to change in my life time. I am a physician instrument pilot with an appreciation for medical limitations. I Fly America Again, take a look at the AME Guide on the FAA website. Those that are honest will remain so, and those who arent never will be honest. Each time the Dr. hit the switch, my friend kicked me under the table and I could respond that I had heard the tone in the headset as required. But the feds harass pilots, not drivers, because they can get away with it with pilots but not with drivers. Because they can longer fly. If it is not recurrent, you should be able to demonstrate with help from your private treating physician that the problem no longer exists. Learn more here: thepilotlawyer.com/faa-medical/. Some records reviewer in OKC can not guarantee those in my aircraft a safe journey only I can do that. The FAA gives final denial to only 0.01% of applications. But, sooner or later, most pilots will develop a medical condition that they cannot hide. The absurdity is having a major federal bureaucracy policing this incredibly low number of deaths. Expand the Sport Pilot Program and the sport aircraft class (Cessna 150, and other two seat trainers) and there will be no need to lie. It revealed an abnormality. I then had to take an echo, which revealed I was even healthier than I thought! The application states once hired you must obtain a class 2 medical cert Medical certificates are designated as first-class, second-class, or third-class. Good guy, good doc, been at it a long time, Im healthy and got my 3rd class. If I wanted to continue learning to fly I had to pay to visit a nomiated CAA doctor. Simple you dont need to know and if you are scared to apply for you medical because your feared in getting caught. Never used my weapon except for training. Pilots lying on the there 1st 2nd and 3rd class medicals happens all the time, and it happens just as much as people going to MEPS for the Military. I fly a Cirrus, my wife knows how to pull the parachute. Lie and get caught, you will lose your ticket, get fined, and possibly go to jail. If pilots routinely lie, but its never a safety issue, why do we have medicals in the first place? NONE . He was convinced if he had the physical and they discovered something bad, hed have to admit it to the AME. There is something very wrong with a system when every one of its users hates it. instead of just listening to the engine, watch the instruments that monitored the engine. Google "Operation Safe Pilot." In a blatant violation of the privacy act of 1974 as amended, the FAA, DOT Inspector General, and SSA Inspector General, conducted an illegal database match looking for common personally identifying information (names and/or social security numbers) in the FAA medical certificate database and the SSA Title 2 and Title 16 disability databases of 45,000 Northern . As for lying on the medical form, lies can be undiscovered for a lifetime of flying, but if there is an incident or accident, the FAA and/or NTSB will dredge up every doctor visit, medication, hospitalization they can. All other patients was sick, so sick but pilots healthy, so healthy. If you have ever been denied a medical, you still cannot go in and just use your drivers license. Would the FAA prefer people to auger in because they are depressed rather than get a medication. They, and AOPA, worked with me to get it corrected. PO Box 882196 You definitely need to be in pretty good shape physically and mentally to be PIC, but I am really discouraged by the heavy-handed, intrusive, and IMHO borderline incompetent way the special issuance process works. Is the medical for safety or for what other purpose? You just hit a key to the problem. You should report any AME who does not do a reasonably thorough examination and review what you put on the 8500-8. Fortunately with the airlines, there is always a second pilot capable of flying the plane. Not only is the medical certificate process flawed, so is the new AOPA iniative. Until recently, a new pilot who had prostate cancer 10 years ago and has no evidence of recurrence had to jump through a bunch of hoops, and might have required special issuance. In short, the FAA doesnt check medical records unless they have a reason to i.e. One DUI is not disqualifying. But sharing them with the FAA is detrimental to your health. Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. Oh yeah did I mention that I live in an isolated community and that the next mediocre doc is a good four hour drive away? So if there is cause, e.g a call to the FAA's hotline, an investigation will occur, and these will be seen and rather quickly. Makes no logical sense. Wouldnt tell you if I had a peg leg and a glass eye. Last summer I went to get my 3rd class med. I did not disclose my name or address when I created this account. Like driving big trucks and boats have no such pseudo-medical crap. Im older now and have some typical late 40s health issues. I know a guy from the US (cant tell his name) that told me that he has lied at least one time, he was overweight and had high blood pressure, he was medicated but he never told that in his annual. I am 55. It is also very much a question of freedom. One way is by lying. I believe those with conditions that would be considered a problem while flying (vertigo, blackouts, narcolepsy, use of medications that cause side effects that present without warning and could be debilitating, etc.) Ultimately, a FAA medical denial for ADHD is almost never the end of the road for an airman. The only variable is about what. Dr. House. Responding to a letter from the FAA about your medical certificate almost always requires you to provide detailed notes from your treating physician(s) and other objective evidence to show you are safe to fly. Ones health does not distinguish between ones ability to pilot a 2 seater weighing 1320 lbs and a 4 seat airplane weighing 3500 lbs. Bury the third class in favor of drivers licenses, who cars come with inches of mine, go against lights, etc. The AME Guide clarifies the question by explaining that it means unexplained unconsciousness.. The FAA requires applicants with a diagnosis of epilepsy to be seizure-free for 10 years without medication before being considered for a medical certificate. Not just surprise test changes from the FAA but the FMCSA again wanting to reduce truck drivers hours of service due to fatigue despite the lack of evidence published on the FMCSAs own web site. your PIC in the Cockpit might have the most serious medical condition, but will never no it thats why the federal government made the HIPPA law. If you dont take a medication NOW, it does not need to be reported. Thank you for the help. Under the new regulation, when the first class privileges expire after twelve months, the first class medical lapses to a third class medical. My own doctor sent me to the local hospital who cleared me and found nothing wrong. Aside from that, I think that few pilots lie but, as Huck Finn said of Mark Twain, there was things which he stretched, but mainly he told the truth., See my comment about the unconsciousness question. Most people fall into the trap thinking that one DUI will prevent them from getting their medical, or they fear it will make it difficult to get. MEDICAL CATEGORY 3: This category applies to the issue or revalidation of Student Pilot Permit, Helicopters, Gyroplane, Balloon, Pilot Permit, Gyroplane, Private Pilot Licence Aeroplane, Helicopter Pilot Licence, Flight Instructor Rating, Glider, Ultra-light Aeroplanes. When reading many aviation magazines and articles it seems likely that most accidents are a result of lack of proficiency rather than due to medical issues. For over 50 years, pilots turned to Richard L. Collins for his unique perspective on the challenges and rewards of flying light aircraft. 2022 MedMG - All Rights Reserved Speaking as a pilot, I think that there should be a way to maintain certification for those of us flying recreationally without having to see an AME every 2 years. FAX your completed Request for Airman Medical Records Form to (405) 954-9326. He showed no regard for the safety of others, nor did he feel guilty about lying, just relieved he passed. The process is so closed ,opaque, and bureaucratic. Taint worth messing up folks. I was an investigator for the CIA from 2001-2006 and armed security for CIA facilities for 4 years after that. Nonetheless, the posts are very short for novices. You do not have to be Richard Collins or Ernest Gann simply a GA pilot with a story youd share with friends sitting in the hangar. We know that the incidence of major depression in the general population is 10%. Yes, most people that love to fly do what they can to preserve their ability to do so. Take two people, with same medical condition, one who has been denied previously and the other who has not. Pilots need to grow some, stand together, and stop tolerating it. Mike F, I agree, Im probably taking the same medication, also works for IBS. With over 20,000 hours of real world experience, much of it in Cessna 172s and P210s, Collins wrote about safety, weather and air traffic control from first-hand experience. I understand why a lot of this stuff, like the sport pilot initiative, takes so long and always falls short, but cmon, this one is easy and its gonna bite them in the ass. They are soulless people that treat you as a thing, not a human person. Also the FAA does check your National Driver Register/Record so make sure you keep your driving safe. I lost my career as an airline pilot (major airline) and my life spiraled out of control. Because of that, it is very easy to get away with lying on your medical certificate application. Skydiving. My question is what are they doing in order to get caught. If you fly only pilot with family and friends, your Medical certification, whether with the AME/FAA or flight-to-flight, is about them. Im not saying I have a medical cert, but if I did this is what I would do. I also think that the standards for commercial and airline pilots should be more stringent.. The whole thing is about safety but the FAA has never proven the need for the medicals, especially the third class, it was just randomly instituted one day a long time ago. If you decide to undergo a physical despite questionable health, first gather all medical documents, such as a letter from your family doctor stating that a condition has been treated and resolved, and present them to the AME. Wish I would have! He issued my medical with a waiver. What Exactly Does A Biomedical Engineer Do? For airmen, this, like so many other aspects of aviation, is a judgment call'but one that also gets tangled up in personal ethics. Im also struggling with depression. Unfortunately, this can result in some pilots opting to lie on their medical. Thats just BS. I used to go up about twice a week; now I havent flown since August. AFAIK the FAA considers ADHD medications a serious issue. If say 10% are due to medical incapacitation, that would be 45-50 deaths a year. AOPA and FAA have not really been a lot of help. so.does everyone repeat their whole life medical history.or just the recent stuff since the last medical exam? The word EVER in the forms will toss you through a buttload of psychological tests you will be sorry you were ever honest. I lost my 2012 medical cert in Istanbul, and make the mistake of sending the FAA form requesting a duplicate. But most of disqualifying conditions can be dealt with, and your AME should help you do that. With $ 20.00 USD anything is possible down there and then just let the FAA go through hoops to find my one in a million medicals just to disqualify and pull my medicalwhich is fake after allwill give them and me something to do till I can think of some other ways to pass the time with the all mighty FAA. Question 18m. I am now 75 years old, and the FAA continues to demand increasily more stringent testing to get the isssuance. This is one of those typical government deny-theres-a-problem attitudes that eventually comes to a head when something major and catastrophic happens. Also my flight instructor was telling me that he knew an applicant who lied about his criminal history for shoplifting and two to three months later the FAA found out and pulled his medical currently and he did not hear back for any clearance to fly again so these are great examples why not lie. (BTW, I am a member of both.) I am in full support of the exemption and hope you will support it too; after all, it has worked for the Sport program and it seems it will work for you! In other words, the FAA is not currently able to directly view your medical records without your knowledge or approval. So, I can only assume that the FAA will see it so there is no question about having to report it myself. The reader should always consult his or her doctor before discontinuation of any medication. If I continue to wish to fly.I had better take care of myself by good nutrition and exercise..on the issue of lying no, I would not lie because not only is it stupid it is cause for losing the ticket. However many of the folks you are asking are not quite so anonymous. My driving record is perfect, but I have been wondering if the FAA will reject my certificate because of an assault charge that happened five years ago back when I was in highschool. Find another AME. Even when telling the truth the FAA doesnt give the AME the power to decide. Pilot medicals are in the news again, with a proposal by EAA and AOPA to let more pilots use a drivers license for their medical. Managing a flight department or want to offer a premium service to your club members or students. I reported hypertension and was required to have an entire cardiac work-up within the past 6 months. ANY RESPONSE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED! Parasailing. Yea if you got deep pockets to afford the tests you Probably dont need. The smart ones do. You would be surprised how many complaints FSDOs receive for folks reporting their family members. Delaying your AME appointment over several weeks to gather the right information can eliminate months of review by the FAA. The regulations are not arbitrary. Also, if I lose my medical, Id save a ton of money on flying and could retire a good 10-15 years earlier! A quick examination of the many truthful and honest individuals that are truthful during their AME exams and are no barred from ever becoming a pilot! Society cares little about helping people with mood disorders beyond marginalizing them and throwing them into a risk factor category and dismissing their issues. My AME is my regular Doctor. Sometimes, your case can be put higher up in the stack. Insurance companies now have a way out of paying the claim and if there were passengers or other property damage involved now lawyers get involvedsomething to think about! or special licenses for either of those vehicles if they are used recreationally (with the exception of a written test for air brake endorsement, if so equipped). I love flying and if I had to give it up, I know I would feel like part of me, and who I am, has been lost. They always do it under the banner of safety. I will follow that up with a word of warning. At 60 years of age you do not want to become an airline pilot you just want to be able to go up fly around and come back again. As a pilot since 1953, and now a retired vascular surgeon who still flies, I have wondered for years if there is any evidence that pilot physical exams save lives. Don't undergo a physical exam if you suspect you might be disqualified. Im applying for a job where they train you to be a helicopter pilot. Im no danger to anyone because I dont particularly like myself. As a 74 year old pilot, I feel that seeing the Aviation Doc every two years is good for my health. Would I report this or any depression on the 8500-8? The responsibility for a safe flight in my aircraft is mine not the AMES, and most certainly not the FAAs. Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. For what do you have special issuance? By comparison, about that same number of deaths a year are caused by lightning strikes or even falling out of bed. Justify their positions by educating and hammering self certification, not for two or five years, but every flight. If he admits it and is taking an approved medication, there are a few extra steps but he will maintain his medical. In our experience, only a small minority of pilots actually try to maliciously conceal significant active medical problems. They are actually almost the same as for Third Class. It was OK to fly without government harassment. My new AME, (old one finally retired,) is a pilot, as is his wife, the office manager and head nurse. Tell them what you will be it will be you that is on the bench because you failed the medical. This is nothing but government bureaucracy. Some do it by mistake. I was told at a young age I could not fly with one eye, but latter in life I found out I could with a medical waver. Jack, petition the FAA to quit demanding the maintenance of wakefulness test. You would not be alone, as there are many older pilots that fly with conditions that would disqualify them from getting the Third Class medical. Seems ludicrous to me. Smaller countries use the FAA regulations for medical certification and, therefore, use the 8500-8 form and have it submitted to the FAA for approval. @Brian B. Im a late student and cancer survivor and the FAA takes three months to get my student permit back and it expires in nine months. A good AME will tell you how to jump through the hoops so that when you go for your FAA medical certificate, you have all the data needed for the FAA. what tests you need, when you need to take these tests, etc) to satisfy the FAA that youre good to go. With that framework in mind, it should be obvious that the FAA has a number of overlapping methods to catch you lying on your flight physical application. Help is only a phone call away! The odds of a passenger catching Covid-19 on a flight and dying from the virus are less than one in half a million. One of the questions is, have you ever had unconsciousness for any reason.. And on the other hand we have people like the pilot mentioned in J. Mac McClellans article Too Many Risks in the May 2012 issue of Sport Aviation who out right lied about his substance use and abuse. Your AME will review your MedXPress application in detail and conduct a physical exam. Are we the same person? Avoid Medical Certification Delay. There is so much hearing loss among the older pilot population, but current practices do not do much more than whisper a question when not facing the pilot. According to Pilot Self-Grounding Requirements (CFR 61.53), pilots have the duty to ground themselves and report to the FAA any changes in their medical condition before they are able to fly again. That would include most of the trainers (Cessna 120, 140, 150, 152, Piper Tomahawk, etc.) Boating accident deaths 750 Well, I believe we should have to have a medical to operate a car, a motorcycle, a truck, a bus, a train or any type of machine that is exposed to or involved in transportation. What is 1st 2nd and 3rd class FAA medical? It does nothing to me other than help prevent the gotta go right NOW urges. What makes an airplane as a machine so different. Both have risks. Yes, I lie about the counseling part. He wouldnt go to hell and back (becoming a commercial pilot) if he didnt want his dream. Stan, what is the diagnosis for which you have special issuance? Is being illiterate a bar to being a pilot conquer? Legally, it does have to be the original. Its just not opening an unnecessary can of worms. Died of a massive heart attack. On the other hand, when I started flying and had to take a 3rd class medical, the AMI was a personal friend and knew of my hearing problems, therefore suggested we do the hearing test with an audiometer in the evening when there was less noise and confusion in the office. No, most pilots have few issues. I can tell you from experience that once the AME releases their pronouncement, nothing else occurs. It explains a lot of stuff that seems ridiculous, like have you ever been unconscious. Flying brought some much needed joy back into my life. So whatever reason the FAA brings to you such as your depressed or you have ADD, they dont know what the **** theyre talking about. An exam for a third class medical certificate with a student pilot certificate can cost between $75 and $150. Most pilots I know plan to fly for longer than it takes one or two medical certificates to expire. In our opinion, and even for a moment disregarding the morality of lying and putting yourself, your passengers, and anyone elses safety at risk, it simply isnt worth lying despite the low chances of getting caught. Give blood, nope, they do tests on it, might find something. I think that FAA should be concerned about this difficulty in people. Theyre just scared something is going to happen in the air. And even if you assume not, an investigation will cause a demand to produce documents and then the liar is cooked. If they have any concerns about your eligibility to hold a medical certificate, AMEs can also deny your application or defer your certification to the FAA for further review. Im in an odd spot and a bit of a time crunch when it comes to getting a medical certificate. Your family and friends consider you more important than any flying you may do. 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